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David Elliott's avatar

What a load of hot air. You must be French to be able to conjure up so many words and little observations whilst still producing no meaningful output.

Perhaps you’re unwittingly exemplifying the ‘fall of civilizations’ in the manner of your exposition; impressive edifice but lacking structural integrity?

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In this otherwise very interesting and remarkable text, one can see the three most serious mistakes made by Western European thinkers such as de Benoist, Spengler, Sorel, and of course Gibbon and Voltaire.

Especially regarding the third point, almost all representatives of the so-called Conservative Revolution of the Eurogenic (incorrectly also called Western) World and Civilization engage in it with a characteristic inclination.

a. Preference for Classical Greek Antiquity over the Hellenistic Era.

b. Disparagement of Byzantium as a supposedly decadent era. And

c. Total rejection of Christianity as supposedly being the cause of the decline of Late Antiquity.

. Concerning the so-called Classical Years of Greek Antiquity, the overestimation that this period enjoys in our time is the result of projecting Modernity onto Antiquity. "The era (country, city, civilization, etc.) that gave birth to Democracy"...

When in reality it is an era during which, yes, many of those cultural characteristics that later came to define Greco-Roman and European Civilization began, but these were rather the result of a previous period and not of the Classical one. On the contrary, Classical Greek Antiquity was responsible for the moral decline of the Peloponnesian War, the, analogous to WWI, Great Greek Civil War.

In contrast, the Hellenistic, Alexandrian Years, the period that could also be called the Macedonian era, was a time characterized by an attempt to once again place Hellenism (and by extension, the future Europe) on its pedestal. A Struggle not only for Empire but also for a "Nietzschean" Revaluation of All Values, even for the Birth of New Gods! Saviour Gods! (And so it came to be...) In contrast to the Classical Years where Democracy killed Philosophers because they introduced New Daemons (Gods) ...

. The disparagement of the so-called "Byzantium". Of New or Eastern Rome. Consequently of Romanìa and by extension Romiosyne (Eastern Romanity). Typical Western European shortsighted and shallow thinking. If Byzantium was truly so decadent, then how did it last a thousand years longer than the Western part of the Empire?

The fact that Voltaire, especially him, and Gibbon showed such biased animosity against Byzantium should be enough for a thinker of the caliber of a de Benoist, an advocate of Empire and of a Europe that is unified but beyond the Nation-State, as a Civilizational State, as an Empire, to be skeptical towards them and not to assent to them.

Was it Byzantium that was responsible for the changes of the "interregnum" between Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages, or was it Byzantium that embraced them, adapting, in order to transcend them, just as Nietzsche embraced Nihilism for the exact same reason?

. The total rejection of Christianity and the false manichaean dichotomy of Christianity vs Paganism. The attribution of all responsibility for the decline of Late Antiquity to Christianity. Was it Christianity that was responsible for this decline, or was it Christianity that tried – and succeeded up to a fairly advanced point in time – to halt it?

Did Julian fail because he ultimately could not organize ancient religiosity (and not religion), so-called Paganism, in accordance with the standards of the Christian Church, as he intended? If Julian had ultimately succeeded, would the civilizational outcome of his effort have differed significantly from what we today call Byzantium and which the devotees and admirers of Julian – and there is no reproach here – love to hate?

As if Christianity were not the last great creation of "Pagan" Hellas / Rome / Europe! As if Paganism by itself is uniform and neutral and is not divided into Olympian and Kronian/ Saturnian "Paganism". Into Gods and Titans. As if the Titanomachy is not the "Ragnarok", the "Armageddon", of Hellenic-Roman "Paganism".

If it is Kronian/ Saturnian Paganism, then how does it differ from the worship of the God of the Sabbath? Of Black Magic, Usury, Moloch, infanticidal human sacrifices, cannibalism and all other titanic practices?

If it is Olympian Paganism, then Who else is Dionysus if not Zeus Christ?

It is evident that what lies deep at the root of this misunderstanding is the misinterpretation between a Cyclical or Linear Worldview. But this is yet another false manichaean dichotomy, like Creation or Evolution. Neither the one nor the other. Neither a god creator of the World nor an evolutionary theory that supposedly contradicts Creation. Emanation! The World emanates from God. God does not create the World ex nihilo.

In this case, of Emanation, the dividing line shifts from Paganism vs Monotheism to Platonism vs Abrahamism. These become the essential denominators of religions, and any nominalist differences between them lack essential metaphysical meaning, beyond purely Ethno-Cultural Idiosyncracies.

If History is cyclical, then there is no Free Will and everything is permitted and justified. From absolute brutality to absolute willing servitude. "It is not me, it is Fate". If History is linear and eschatological, then it has absolutely no meaning. Especially the Beyond. Who other than our own "All-Good" and "All-Powerful" God could prevail? And if the Beyond has no meaning, then neither does the T/Here! And when the T/Here has no meaning either, then everything is permitted and justified...

Neither the one nor the other, then. Neither an absolute deterministic Cycle, nor a monotonous and monotheistic Abrahamic straight line. The world around is the Circle. History moves on the Horizontal Axis and the Soul on the Vertical, the Axis Mundi, the Tree of Life. Their meeting point we call hic et nunc, T/Here, Dasein. Together they form the Symbol of the Cross. The Cross in the Circle.

Summarizing:

. Modernism and Classical Antiquity: Nation-State and City-State and all against all.

. Hellenistic Era and Byzantium: Struggle for Empire and Salvation, vindication and consolidation of this Struggle.

. Abrahamism, linear path from nothing to nothing. Kronian/ Saturnian Paganism, cyclical futility without Free Will. Vain Eschatology.

. (Neo)Platonism whether as Paganism or as Christian or Islam. Eternal Return of the Soul to the One, the All, the Good, the True. Open History as a result of Free Will of Man and not only. True Metaphysical Struggle.

I am absolutely convinced that if a true Revaluation of all Values does not take place and these modernist complexes are not overcome, Europe as a Civilization will never recover again.

Regas Askraios

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