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Stephen Baskerville's avatar

I think you will find, if you actually read the article and the book, that I do not do that, and in fact I argue against it.

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Stephen Baskerville's avatar

Sorry, this should have been posted below, as the answer to another.

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Scythe's avatar

your title made me not want to even read it

NAME THE LIBERAL

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Stephen Baskerville's avatar

Not sure why. "You cannot judge a book by..." etc.

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the long warred's avatar

The Right in America are sellouts, the GOP committees are women who select weaklings who won’t cause trouble. The rest is internet chatter - just talk.

The Left acts , the Right and the Rest bitches. Because they are bitches.

Fortunately the Left tied themselves to a dying dotard.

So they’re imploding now.

Actors always beat talkers, especially bourgeois beta cucks.

Now get off the Internet, mom needs to have “a talk.”

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Stephen Baskerville's avatar

You have rather captured some of the essential points in the book. I try to word it more diplomatically and offer some remedies, but...

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the long warred's avatar

Yes, nothing personal, but as the hour is late and the bodies have already slowly begun to drop, bluntness called for and answered.

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Boflys's avatar

Damn. That hit hard! Well done.

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Ryan Davidson's avatar

You're on the right track, to be sure. But you haven't gone deep enough. The Deep State wasn't created in 2020. The DOJ-National Security Division has been the clearinghouse for the Regime's anti-American operations since at least 2013.

It was created during the Bush II Administration as a response to 9/11. But the key shift occurred during the Obama Administration, which took that apparatus and tweaked it so that it only targeted Democrats' political opponents.

The professionally Republican class went along with this, because they supported it. They needed to take out the Tea Party. And they did.

The exposure of IRS misconduct associated with Lois Lerner caused the Obama faction to shift Deep State operations away from the IRS to the National Security Division inside the DOJ. The DOJ-NSD is the interface between DOJ and the Intelligence Community, primarily located in the Departments of State and Defense, which generally doesn't have jurisdiction to operate domestically. DOJ does. But the IC has access to NSA/CIA wiretapping and surveillance, a far more expansive and effective tool for monitoring and countering political dissent than IRS databases ever were. Critically, the DOJ-NSD is entirely free from oversight. It does not have its own Inspector General and is not subject to any other IG.

If you look, you'll find that the same rogue's gallery from the Obama Administration has been behind just about everything and is still in play.

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the long warred's avatar

Well yes… but more renewal of the same government National Security apparatus we’ve had since WW2. They created a system to stop Hitler and like all government programs it became immortal and monstrous.

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Ryan Davidson's avatar

True, true. But the apparatus was focused mostly outward until the PATRIOT Act (never exclusively outward, of course, see, e.g., JFK, Nixon, etc.) and wasn't given a partisan valence until Obama.

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the long warred's avatar

Started inward against Nazis in 1940. Source “A Man Called Intrepid “ 1976.

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Ryan Davidson's avatar

I hear what you're saying, and in broad terms I generally agree. The IC has been a rogue actor since at least WWII. (Been reading some things recently that try to push things back into the nineteenth century, but I'm not entirely convinced just yet. But I digress).

But I think there were two reasons that the problems we now see took decades to become as dramatic as they are today.

First, I'd argue that "inward against Nazis" contained enough genuine, substantive connection to foreign policy that the implications for domestic politics, as such, were limited for decades afterward. The people involved may have been kidding themselves, but I believe they were, in fact, kidding themselves. Contrast that with the Obama error and later, where the people involved are obviously lying through their teeth, and always have been.

Second, the legal apparatus for much current Deep State activity didn't exist until quite recently. Today, the Deep State abuses legal processes to achieve its ends (e.g., FISA, "incidental collection," etc.). But prior to the PATRIOT Act, those legal processes didn't even exist to be abused. They had to be completely clandestine. The introduction of the internet was certainly a technological boon to mass surveillance, to be sure, but the PATRIOT Act really changed things.

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the long warred's avatar

The Parrot, 🦜 er Patriot Act was a terrible idea 💡 at the time of mixing the powers of war with law. At the time my comment was “if you take your laws to war you will lose the wars and your laws.” So it happened.

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the long warred's avatar

The PATRIOT Act was also one of several evils to come from the. Speaker of The House Dennis Hastert - since a convicted pedophile - telling George Bush 43 that he can have his war if he signs everything in front of him , which he did until after the loss of 2006 …. His first veto.

The Patriot Act was and remains a slush fund, interestingly NYC got the least per capita $. GOP districts the most.

Besides payoffs we lost the wars and the laws. I was part of the wars in Iraq… OIF.

Now Laws being revealed as pretentious prostitution and pimping is worth it to me to take the betrayal/loss in Iraq.

That’s all the laws are, rules of etiquette for the Foyer and common areas of Brothels.

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the long warred's avatar

It’s true it was given a partisan valence by Obama, but it was certainly used against Nixon.

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Dionysios Dionou's avatar

This book doesn't sound like an impressive read. Same old BS. The truth is the oligarchy today made largely of rootless cosmopolitans have used blackmail and bribery to control both party's that are really one party. All take their cues from their puppet masters. The problem with the American right is It never had a nationalist ideology. It's entire ethos are platitudes about "freedom" which translates into making money. Give me the freedom to make money buy thing half of which I do t need and put myself into debt slavery AKA the American dream (nightmare) listen to their mantra, "Lower my taxes " is all these clowns have to say. I consider so called "conservatives" and "libertarians" as great a threat to the people as Marxism. Conservatives and libertarians care about money nationalists care about their blood and soil, culture and kids. Here's the deal. We can never vote our way out of this dystopian disaster heading our way with train wreck speed. Only a nationalist counter-revolution and an authoritarian nationalist movement and ethnosocialism based on blood soil and culture will save our kids, culture and blood lines.

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Stephen Baskerville's avatar

It must be nice to be so certain in your knowledge of so many things -- and without having to read anything that might tell you differently.

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Scythe's avatar

Does the boomer ever stop calling liberals communists?

Does it go one for another 100 years?

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Stephen Baskerville's avatar

I think you will find, if you actually read the article and the book, that I do not do that, and in fact I argue against it.

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Evola's Sunglasses's avatar

Hasn't it gone Global Woke Capitalist and ruled by an oligarchy?

I don't think American are getting workers rights, free health care and strong public services?

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