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John Pellegrini's avatar

One of the best essays I have ever read on this subject. 100% correct..... and very depressing.

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George Sallaway's avatar

The term deep state arose from the car accident on November 3, 1996, near the town of Susurluk in Turkey. This event, known as the Susurluk scandal, exposed deep connections between the Turkish state, organized crime, and right-wing paramilitary groups.

The people in the car were:

1. Abdullah Çatlı – A notorious figure associated with organized crime, drug trafficking, and a member of the ultra-nationalist Grey Wolves. He was a fugitive wanted by Interpol and was believed to have links with the Turkish deep state and paramilitary operations.

2. Hüseyin Kocadağ – A high-ranking police chief, with alleged involvement in state-sanctioned operations against the Kurdish insurgency (PKK) and deep connections with right-wing paramilitary groups.

3. Sedat Edip Bucak – A politician and Kurdish clan leader, who was a member of the Turkish parliament at the time. He was the only survivor of the accident and was reportedly a leader of a state-sponsored militia aimed at fighting Kurdish separatist movements.

4. Gonca Us – A former beauty queen and Abdullah Çatlı’s girlfriend. She was also killed in the accident.

The crash was significant because it exposed a shadowy network of connections between the Turkish state, organized crime, and nationalist paramilitary groups, fueling conspiracy theories about the existence of a “deep state” in Turkey.

You don’t adequately address the presence of organized crime in any of your examples.

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Richard Roskell's avatar

That's interesting background, thank you. I also agree that organized crime must be considered as an element of the Deep State.

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Ernest Judd's avatar

No KOSHER NOSTRA mentioned.

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Dugongo's avatar

What's that?

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JohnGehan's avatar

Very good essay by Dr. Dugin. I hope he expands on it in the future and connects the deep state(s?) to the wars in Ukraine and southwest Asia.

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Ernest Judd's avatar

Deep State?

I call it the "ZIO/GLOBO/HOMO BORG".

Why not "Name the Jew"?

My goodness, look at how Zionist perfidity has corrupted the Collective Waste's values.

I live in Canada; it is ILLEGAL, a criminal offence to criticize Israel or Jews.

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Jamie Harris's avatar

Trotskyist?

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janoskar.hansen@gmail.com's avatar

on top of the hidden power, in the USA sits the Zionists, a big spider casting its nest in all directions of American life and sometimes when needed killing their own

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Richard Roskell's avatar

Professor Dugin is a profound thinker and keen observer of society and politics. This is the best description of the Deep State that I've seen.

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Lyss P. Hacker's avatar

Maybe Deep State is serious, but they cannot escape the fact that they are bunch of peasants ruling over other peasants. This cannot last long, and it is quite possible that the Deep State itself is ruled from some other, much more powerful source.

This ruling is mostly done via bribery. Almost nobody in these structures really believes in any of these ideas, at least on the lower level of the hierarchy. This was also the case in communist countries for few decades before they collapsed. How are they going to pay all these people when paper money in all currencies looses value entirely? This is going to happen soon.

This system ran on the rapid expansion of the bourgeois class which was achieved with the most massive money printing in human history. Basically, people lived to achieve the American Dream, to do nothing and be able to buy everything. They lived to buy the next item in a shopping mall. This dream is nearing it's end. Deep State needs a new narrative. This might be the point of the Great Reset. That won't be easy because they cannot rule directly and without paper money they are in trouble.

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Konstantin Smirnov's avatar

Could be something like social credit system, or what German sci-fi writer Herbert Franke depicted in his “Ypsylon Minus”. The very purpose of your existence is to conform to the rules which brings you up the ladder, thus giving you better life and better consumption. The difference between the latter and buying the next shiny thing in the mall is that you very existence, not your self-esteem depends upon your efforts.

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tiso's avatar

John et robert Kennedy avaient découvert l'influence de cet état profond, ils ont été éliminés par la famille, c'est à dire l'entité mafieuse, mais vous avez raison d'imaginer qu'il soit gouverné par une autre source, mais cette source est très difficile à expliquer à des esprits conventionnels, je ne pense pas que leur rêve touche à sa fin , je pense que celui-ci va bientôt se réaliser.

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Jaswinder Singh Sian's avatar

Just excellent.

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no.stache.nietzsche's avatar

Excellent overview- highly theatrical issue detailed in thorough sobriety 🙏🙏

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Luke's avatar

Wow, am humbled by this piece. It is perhaps one of the most important lessons I have ever read sir. This is vital information.

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Colin Liddell's avatar

Hackneyed conspiritard slop. The Western “deep state” is extremely shallow compared to the Russian Deep State, a real Deep State, which owns the entire country to the tune of over a half-million of its own soldiers pumped into its shitty meatgrinder war in the Ukraine.

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Mimi's avatar

This was a profoundly illuminating piece by Dr. Dugan. By way of background context, I also read https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2003/05/shac-m23.html. which I found particularly helpful.

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Esmée Noelle Covey's avatar

I suspect that the Ecumenist Movement within the Orthodox Church is part of the "Deep State."

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Jamie Harris's avatar

And Catholic Church.

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Marko Gasic's avatar

Superbly cogent deconstruction of the categories of power (though I wanted to hear a bit more re. the Trotskyist origins of the neocons)

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Ludwig watzal's avatar

👍👍👍

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