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Steve and Krys Crimi's avatar

Thanks for this Sietze. It is difficult to sit in ambivalent abeyance between the personal activities of the exemplar of Islam, and his followers moving through the sexual mutilation of children still ongoing, and the stunning and transformative art and architecture we have visited in Turkey. Who is Rumi writing about and from? The question is begged: Are Yahweh and Allah the same being?

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Wilhelmus Klostermann's avatar

European civilization is collapsing anyway. This is irreversible. Within a century, native Europeans are a minority. Now already, most Europeans don't believe in European civilization, in Christian values anymore. So we are looking at the sunset of European civilization. That is for me a sad observation.

I agree that Islam is not a worthy replacement. It doesn't have enough spirituality. It is more Jewish than Christian in its essence, with its many irrelevant prescriptions, its materialism, its dogmatism.

That said, I think Islam still offers a better system of values than the nothingness of todays neoliberalism. It will save European humanity from godless transhumanism. And I am certain that in the end it will destroy the nihilistic elite and its ideology that has brought European civilization to the graveyard.

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Sietze Bosman's avatar

You missed the point of my article, I think. Islam may seem to have better values than liberal societies today, but that is an illusion. There is very little in Islam that teaches one anything approaching spiritual understanding. Most of it is believing things or doing things because Mohammed or Allah said so. And it is, for the most part, the political European Union that is falling apart, not the vanguard of the European peoples. Most of my country is not invaded by muslims or foreigners, so I am not as desperate as you, and certainly not willing to call the fight over when we haven't even drawn our first punch.

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Wilhelmus Klostermann's avatar

I prefer Christianity above Islam but Islam above neoliberalism.

I don't share your apparent point of view that all Muslims are and think the same and all are slaves of dogmatism.

See for example: https://x.com/rnaudbertrand/status/1948358496040137134?s=46

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Plato's synclair's avatar

garbage article. kill yourself r2tard.

Ever watched DUNE? that is what we aspire for, not retvrn, but future.

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Sietze Bosman's avatar

thanx, that means a lot from someone with four followers and zero posts of his own.

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N.M. Iversen's avatar

Some very interesting observations about Islam.

Judging from history and current practice, Christianity is a superior religion to Islam. But it is a real religion, and it satisfies spiritual needs. Most Europeans are currently pagan, including some Muslim immigrants. However, in the end, paganism will not be enough, so in the absence of a Christian revival, Europe will become Islamic at some point.

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Salahuddin Costa's avatar

As a traditional Sunni Muslim, one reverted from Catholic background 40 years ago, with some training in theology, I must at least comment here with one remark: you come to this conclusion by your own deductions without having any deeper contrasting with a knowledgeable Muslim.

In'sha'Allah I may elaborate more later, if I find the time for it.

Best regards!

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Rachael  Morgan's avatar

💯 but is it too late? I fear that the few who are aware become vilified and silenced

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